Pasión y pureza: Aprende a someter tu vida amorosa bajo la autoridad de Cristo
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- Author：Elisabeth Elliot
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Summary
En este libro clásico， Elisabeth Elliot comparte su historia de amor con Jim Elliot a través de cartas， anotaciones en su diario y recuerdos。 Ella es honesta sobre las tentaciones， dificultades， victorias y sacrificios de dos jóvenes cuyo compromiso con Cristo fue la prioridad sobre su amor por el otro。 Sus destellos personales， combinados con enseñanza bíblica relevante recordará a los lectores que solo al pasar su pasión humana y deseo por el fuego de Dios， Él podrá purificar su amor。 En una cultura obsesionada con las citas， el sexo y la intimidad， la necesidad de el mensaje liberador de Elliot es más grande que nunca。 Esta bella edición será atractiva para los jóvenes de hoy。
In her classic book， Elisabeth Elliot candidly shares her love story with Jim Elliot through letters， diary entries， and memories。 She is honest about the temptations， difficulties， victories， and sacrifices of two young people whose commitment to Christ took priority over their love for each other。 These revealing personal glimpses， combined with relevant biblical teaching， will remind readers that only by putting their human passion and desire through His fire can God purify their love。 In a culture obsessed with dating， sex， and intimacy， the need for Elliot's freeing message is greater than ever。 This beautifully repackaged edition will appeal to today's young people。
In her classic book， Elisabeth Elliot candidly shares her love story with Jim Elliot through letters， diary entries， and memories。 She is honest about the temptations， difficulties， victories， and sacrifices of two young people whose commitment to Christ took priority over their love for each other。 These revealing personal glimpses， combined with relevant biblical teaching， will remind readers that only by putting their human passion and desire through His fire can God purify their love。 In a culture obsessed with dating， sex， and intimacy， the need for Elliot's freeing message is greater than ever。 This beautifully repackaged edition will appeal to today's young people。
Reviews
M。 Clisman
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Uma abordagem "nua e crua"。 Ela trás a vida para "pés no chão"， sem tirar a "cabeça nas nuvens"（no sentido de ter a cabeça nos céus）。Faz com que olhemos para a vida aqui， de forma real， e tudo isso tendo do céu a orientação。 Uma abordagem "nua e crua"。 Ela trás a vida para "pés no chão"， sem tirar a "cabeça nas nuvens"（no sentido de ter a cabeça nos céus）。Faz com que olhemos para a vida aqui， de forma real， e tudo isso tendo do céu a orientação。 。。。more
Jenny Hartfelder
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I believe the subtitle of this book sums it up well。。。 Learning to bring your love life under Christ's control。 Few things plague the emotions so much as romantic relationships。。。 or the lack thereof。 Thinking through your personal convictions from an objective viewpoint is an important part of the process for one who desires to honor Christ in these relationships。 I read this book a couple times as a teen， and I've now read through it again with my teenage daughter。 Both then and now， I appreci I believe the subtitle of this book sums it up well。。。 Learning to bring your love life under Christ's control。 Few things plague the emotions so much as romantic relationships。。。 or the lack thereof。 Thinking through your personal convictions from an objective viewpoint is an important part of the process for one who desires to honor Christ in these relationships。 I read this book a couple times as a teen， and I've now read through it again with my teenage daughter。 Both then and now， I appreciated Elisabeth's clear reminder that Christ and His glory must be preeminent。I can't say that I'm not a bit skeptical over the actual path Jim and Elisabeth choose to follow， and but certainly their desire was God's glory， and bottom line， that's where each of us need to be。 。。。more
benebean
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2。5 stars tad more legalistic and less conceptual than I expected。 I suppose the rating reflects more my lack of excitement when I had such high expectations given the Elliot’s reputation。 It probably isn’t helped by feeling a bit dated and discussion norms I find more culturally applicable to it’s time than straight Biblical exegesis。I don’t remember the exact arguments but I got the sense she was trying to imply a guy has to make the first move in relationships because of male headship in marr 2。5 stars tad more legalistic and less conceptual than I expected。 I suppose the rating reflects more my lack of excitement when I had such high expectations given the Elliot’s reputation。 It probably isn’t helped by feeling a bit dated and discussion norms I find more culturally applicable to it’s time than straight Biblical exegesis。I don’t remember the exact arguments but I got the sense she was trying to imply a guy has to make the first move in relationships because of male headship in marriage。 I didn’t find this argument particularly sound though I can’t remember exactly how explicitly it was made。 Her thought that girls should never ask out guys was clear and seemed sort of linked to Biblical male headship。 I think I also found some recounting of Jim’s behavior not quite what I would expect from someone almost venerated in the Christian church the moment he became martyred。 Alas， to me， he came across closer to human。 。。。more
Sally Litfin
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Such a beautifully written book full of so much wisdom。 I grew up learning about Jim Elliot and his mission work， and it was so cool to hear Elisabeth’s perspective about how they fell in love in the small college town I grew up in。
Liz
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Jim Elliot sure knew how to write love letters。Positives:- this book is a huge encouragement on waiting and trusting God amidst the uncertainties of singleness etc。 - chapter 43 has really helpful advice on marriage， and what love actually is: it is not merely feeling in love， it is choosing to love in-spite of day to day feelings。Negatives:- this is the second or third Elisabeth Elliot book I’ve read， and consistently I disagree with some of her views on womanhood and femininity。 The idea that Jim Elliot sure knew how to write love letters。Positives:- this book is a huge encouragement on waiting and trusting God amidst the uncertainties of singleness etc。 - chapter 43 has really helpful advice on marriage， and what love actually is: it is not merely feeling in love， it is choosing to love in-spite of day to day feelings。Negatives:- this is the second or third Elisabeth Elliot book I’ve read， and consistently I disagree with some of her views on womanhood and femininity。 The idea that the way to a man’s heart is to maintain an air of mystery is an over-generalisation and is in some way， almost deceitful。 What happened to being who you are and being transparently yourself - this is not to say that we should overdo it and suffocate others with every ounce of our feelings， but surely authenticity with wisdom is what we should aim for。- the whole idea of men not liking women taking the initiative is also a generalisation， and in some way， is representative of an outdated sexist view。 This is not to say men cannot lead， but a woman letting a man know her feelings （obviously not forcing her feelings on him） shouldn’t be distasteful or repulsive - surely women can have feelings to， and should be able to let a man know what they are？！- the whole idea of not dating but only saying I love you when you’re ready to get married to that person is not a realistic model one can adopt in our society。 Some of us live in urbanised metropolises， you actually have to get to know people because we don’t live in small communities where lives are interwoven。 If you’re interested in a girl， and she is in you too， and you don’t let her know because you’re not sure yet whether she’s the one you want to spend the rest of your life with （because that obviously takes time）， surely that means people will either rush into marriage unwisely or inhabit weird blurred lines where people aren’t quite sure what they are， which is itself unhelpful。 In addition， I find it oxymoronic that this view which opposes dating is promoted when what Jim and Elisabeth were doing was in essence， long-distance dating。 I know she mentioned that her relationship should not be used as a theological model， but that relationship does form the framework of this book， and thus in essence， is the lens by which we use to evaluate her arguments。 Nevertheless， I do agree that as Christians， we should date intentionally （i。e not at 16 where we’re not ready to settle down）， but we should still date。I’m not sure I’d recommend this。 There are better books out there on Christian waiting and dating。 。。。more
Bookish Brunette
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“ Being in love is a good thing，but it is not the best thing。 There are many things below it ，but there are also things above it。 You cannot make it the basis of a whole life。 It is a noble feeling，but it is still a feeling。 Now no feeling can be relied on to last in its full intensity or even to last at all。 In fact ，the state of being in love usually does not last。 But of course ceasing to be ‘in love’ need not mean ceasing to love。 Love is a deep unity maintained by the will and deliberately “ Being in love is a good thing，but it is not the best thing。 There are many things below it ，but there are also things above it。 You cannot make it the basis of a whole life。 It is a noble feeling，but it is still a feeling。 Now no feeling can be relied on to last in its full intensity or even to last at all。 In fact ，the state of being in love usually does not last。 But of course ceasing to be ‘in love’ need not mean ceasing to love。 Love is a deep unity maintained by the will and deliberately strengthened by habit; reinforced by the grace which both partners ask and receive from God。” -C。S。 Lewis 。。。more
Kaylee Schweer
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Timeless， hard， Biblical truths from a woman God clearly blessed with a beautiful writing style。
Madelyn Dumas
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Probably impacted me forever despite my not wanting it to。
Emily Creel
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this book was so beneficial and i learned a lot from it， i’ll probably read it again in the future。 it got 4 stars because there were a few chapters i didn’t particularly agree w but it’s not because she said something wrong， i just don’t agree
Socrate
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Pe maldărul de corespondenţă care mă aştepta acasă era un bilet care spunea că a dat telefon Lars Green şi sunt rugată să-1 sun。Acum， Lars este una dintre persoanele mele preferate， căsătorit cu o altă favorită， Elisabeth Elliot。 Aşa că am sunat。 Mi-a răspuns Elisa-beth， surprinsă că mă sunase Lars， şi neştiind despre ce era vorba。„Lucrezi la o altă carte？" am întrebat-o pe Elisabeth。 Mi-a răspuns că tocmai terminase una， intitulată Pasiune şi puritate。Am simţit că nu putea să fi apărut într-un Pe maldărul de corespondenţă care mă aştepta acasă era un bilet care spunea că a dat telefon Lars Green şi sunt rugată să-1 sun。Acum， Lars este una dintre persoanele mele preferate， căsătorit cu o altă favorită， Elisabeth Elliot。 Aşa că am sunat。 Mi-a răspuns Elisa-beth， surprinsă că mă sunase Lars， şi neştiind despre ce era vorba。„Lucrezi la o altă carte？" am întrebat-o pe Elisabeth。 Mi-a răspuns că tocmai terminase una， intitulată Pasiune şi puritate。Am simţit că nu putea să fi apărut într-un moment mai oportun şi să se adreseze unui subiect mai potrivit， şi i-am spus că abia aşteptam s-o citesc。Cînd m-a sunat din nou Lars - m-am bucurat în sinea mea să aflu că， fără să-i spună nimic lui Elisabeth， el se întreba dacă aş vrea să citesc manuscrisul， spunîndu-mi că va înţelege dacă sunt prea ocupată。 Cînd eşti atît de interesat de un subiect， te simţi privilegiat să arunci o privire asupra manuscrisului înainte de publicare， şi i-am spus aceasta şi lui Lars。Astăzi a sosit manuscrisul şi m-am aşezat să mă uit prin el。încă de la început mi-a captat atenţia。 Nu era ceea ce mă aşteptasem。 O， ştiam că orice scrie Elisabeth merită să fie citit şi este uşor de înţeles， dar aceasta era o carte despre modul în care trebuie să ne punem viaţa sentimentală sub autoritatea şi Domnia lui Iesus Cristos。 Elisabeth a scris-o într-un stil foarte apropiat şi personal， ilustrîndu-şi tema cu amintiri， extrase din jurnal şi scrisori vechi de dragoste adresate lui Jim Elliot。 Are un mod plăcut de a scrie。 Cartea e presărată cu cuvinte preţioase şi potrivite din Biblie， cu cîntări vechi minunate， cu citate din autorii ei preferaţi - toate atît de potrivite， pentru că se adresează unei nevoi reale。 N-am lăsat-o din mînă pînă n-am terminat-o。 。。。more
Caighley
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Hey everyone！ Elisabeth Eliot’s Passion and Purity was a great read for me and really gave me a foundation for waiting for the man the Lord has for me。 Because this book was about some of the technicalities of waiting for marriage and the desire to be married， I would categorize its reading age as +16。 Passion and Purity is truly a wonderful read that flows well as a story as it gives encouragement and information about waiting for marriage。Ecclesiastes 3:1 - There is a time for everything， and Hey everyone！ Elisabeth Eliot’s Passion and Purity was a great read for me and really gave me a foundation for waiting for the man the Lord has for me。 Because this book was about some of the technicalities of waiting for marriage and the desire to be married， I would categorize its reading age as +16。 Passion and Purity is truly a wonderful read that flows well as a story as it gives encouragement and information about waiting for marriage。Ecclesiastes 3:1 - There is a time for everything， and a season for every activity under the heavens… 。。。more
Tim Ellis
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Wow！ I was nervous to read this book。 I thought， “it’s ideas will be outdated”， “probably a bit legalistic”。 But no， this book is relevant and full with truths that life-giving！ Praise the Lord for it！ I consider this one of my top ten books I’ve ever read！ And 2nd best book so far this year， 2nd to ‘Live No Lies’ by John Mark Comer。 These book actually had a lot in common about walking by the Spirit and dying to the flesh。 God has blessed me with a beautiful woman who I will one day marry （in h Wow！ I was nervous to read this book。 I thought， “it’s ideas will be outdated”， “probably a bit legalistic”。 But no， this book is relevant and full with truths that life-giving！ Praise the Lord for it！ I consider this one of my top ten books I’ve ever read！ And 2nd best book so far this year， 2nd to ‘Live No Lies’ by John Mark Comer。 These book actually had a lot in common about walking by the Spirit and dying to the flesh。 God has blessed me with a beautiful woman who I will one day marry （in his will and timing） and this has helped me with understanding my role as a leader/initiator in the relationship。 We’re not going to kiss till our wedding day。 We don’t sit next to each other alone on the same seat。 We don’t hold hands。 It might sound crazy。 In the past I’ve done a lot of those things and more with girls and it’s only brought hurt。 This woman I’m with I actually love her。 I love her more than any other and I’m committed to her。 I don’t need anything physical to increase my love。 But one day I will marry my wife and all the waiting will have paid off ☺️ 。。。more
Heather Way
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This book really challenged me to look and see what God wants verses what I want！！ It challenged me to see if I would be joyful if God had another plan for my life。 Highly recommend！！
Juliana
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É um livro que pode ser apreciado por todos， moças ou rapazes。 Leitura fácil， Elisabeth Elliot responde com suas experiências muitas dúvidas a respeito de assuntos que nunca deixam de serem atuais。
Anna Gaydos
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such a practical book in learning to bring every thought and action unto obedience in christ！ loved it！ also such a sweet love story！
Dayton Rumbold
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It's really interesting to read the reviews on this book。 My initial thought was， "some things don't change。"I was intrigued while reading the comments to find many people saying， "how old fashioned。" A lot of Elizabeth's experience won't directly apply to other readers。 But I think the nature of the discussion （sexuality） has not changed much。 We are sexual beings and purity is the calling of a Christian。 I think something that stuck out is that no one is truly "pure。" We are all sexual sinners It's really interesting to read the reviews on this book。 My initial thought was， "some things don't change。"I was intrigued while reading the comments to find many people saying， "how old fashioned。" A lot of Elizabeth's experience won't directly apply to other readers。 But I think the nature of the discussion （sexuality） has not changed much。 We are sexual beings and purity is the calling of a Christian。 I think something that stuck out is that no one is truly "pure。" We are all sexual sinners in some way， needing of grace through Jesus。Do I agree with every "rule" that Betty sets？ No。 It is Betty's individual story and God works differently in everyone's lives。 But do I think she has wise advice？ Very much so。 。。。more
Serena Marie
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This book was full of Elizabeth’s inspiring thoughts and overcoming her struggles through personal diary entries as she was a young woman。 But some of the wording did seem distant like advice from a married woman would be to a young single woman: contentment。 It also was written during a generation of time that no longer exists。 However the principles were relevant to today。 So I gave it three stars。
Caroline Young
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This book totally changed my perspective on Christian dating！ This is a must read！
Benita
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In dem Buch stecken wirklich unglaublich viele Wahrheiten und so wie Elisabeth Elliot Beziehung lebt ist es definitiv der sichere und gute Weg！ Dennoch hätte ich mir an ein paar Stellen gewünscht， dass nicht alles so „ultimativ“ wirkt und noch ein paar andere Sichtweisen gezeigt werden… （Zum Beispiel im Kapitel Ungeduld， wenn Elisabeth in gewisser Weise über die Ungeduld anderer urteilt， aber zum Beispiel die Verse von Paulus im NT auslässt， in denen steht， dass man lieber heiraten soll， bevor m In dem Buch stecken wirklich unglaublich viele Wahrheiten und so wie Elisabeth Elliot Beziehung lebt ist es definitiv der sichere und gute Weg！ Dennoch hätte ich mir an ein paar Stellen gewünscht， dass nicht alles so „ultimativ“ wirkt und noch ein paar andere Sichtweisen gezeigt werden… （Zum Beispiel im Kapitel Ungeduld， wenn Elisabeth in gewisser Weise über die Ungeduld anderer urteilt， aber zum Beispiel die Verse von Paulus im NT auslässt， in denen steht， dass man lieber heiraten soll， bevor man Dinge tut， die man später bereuen könnte）。 Da ist sie meiner Meinung manchmal ein bisschen engstirnig gewesen und hätte das definitiv noch besser ausführen und beleuchten können。 Dennoch ist viel mehr sehr gut， als schlecht！Es war eine mega gute Balance， zwischen Bibelversen， Briefen und eigenen Gedanken。 Was mir beim Lesen aufgefallen ist， wie negativ ich doch von Jim zum Teil gedacht hatte， weil er sie ja einfach hätte heiraten können und fertig。 Aber genau genommen hat er ein krasses Leben und sollte ein Vorbild für alle Christen sein， weil er weiß， wie man heilig und vorbildlich lebt！ （Nämlich genau so）。 Es war definitiv wertvoll und wichtig dieses Buch gelesen zu haben， auch wenn ich mir über manche Sichtweisen noch Gedanken machen muss， oder man nicht alles haargenau so wörtlich nehmen sollte， wie sie manches schreibt。 。。。more
Demaree Persson
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Truly an incredible story of patiently waiting and trusting God in the midst of hardship！ Elisabeth Elliot gives readers a real， close-up look at her and her husband’s six years of sending letters， moving countries apart and becoming missionaries in the jungles of Ecuador before getting married in 1953。
Maddie Kirk
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To put it simply， this book enraged me。 I am still not sure exactly why， but I have my suppositions。 It is either because this book totally shatters the modern view of romantic interactions， or it is because Jim Elliot just strung Elizabeth along in his life。 Once this story gets into the thick of it， the book becomes more of Jim’s actions and decisions and it leaves out Elizabeth’s thoughts and feelings of the matter。 Overall， it totally shatters todays perception of what a romantic relationshi To put it simply， this book enraged me。 I am still not sure exactly why， but I have my suppositions。 It is either because this book totally shatters the modern view of romantic interactions， or it is because Jim Elliot just strung Elizabeth along in his life。 Once this story gets into the thick of it， the book becomes more of Jim’s actions and decisions and it leaves out Elizabeth’s thoughts and feelings of the matter。 Overall， it totally shatters todays perception of what a romantic relationship looks like。 I do not deny that American culture idolizes romance with its high highs and low lows。 It is also absolutely true that if you idolize your romantic partner or any romantic partner you will ultimately be disappointed。 I wonder if that is a passive purpose that God had in mind when he gave us these guidelines for relationships and for life in general。 If we pursue him above all， above all cultural and personal expectations， we will not only grow closer to God， but we will also be protected from the vile pitfalls of a worldly life。 Pursuing a Godly romantic relationship has its own troubles， but I think that will protect you from the uncertainty and dangers of a worldly relationship。 I guess that it is also true that people who are willing to do anything to be pure of heart/fully honoring God will be seen as crazy， extreme， and counter-cultural。I don’t think that the issue for me is actually pursuing a God-honoring life like this， but my main issue is with how Jim handled the whole situation。 He pursued her without giving her the security of a title， without a named commitment。 He told her he loved her， wanted to be with her， and then took a Lazze Fair approach and just did his own thing。 It also greatly annoyed me how Jim second guessed every decision。 This is totally not how I think so this was frustrating for me。 It was so uncertain whether he was acting on God’s conviction or his own volition。 In addition to all of this his life certainly did not reflect that he wanted to be with Elizabeth for real for real （170）。 Like homie， trust your convictions！ Trust the convictions that the Holy Spirit gives you！ I also assume that the majority of my frustration comes from my lack understanding of how Jim thinks。 Maybe I will someday， but right now I don’t understand。 This also makes me feel that maybe I don’t love God enough to be able to do this sort of thing in a relationship， but I know that’s not true。The part that made me the most upset was that Jim told Elizabeth that he loved her and that he wanted to be with her， but he couldn’t right then and possibly ever。 What？ Why would you pursue a relationship with someone while actively telling them that you may not be in a relationship because of God？ This totally makes God look like the bad guy which is not true at all。 God is a loving father and he wants the best for us！ It is most important that we trust God in the midst of the unknown， the anger， and confusion。Don’t get me wrong， this book holds a lot of truth about what it means to live your life not for yourself， but for God。 We don’t belong to each other， we belong to God first and foremost。 Striving sacrificially to live a life that is honoring to God because it goes against the grain that says to live for yourself。 The life that strives to honor and unite with God will be eternally more rewarding and fulfilling。QUOTES“The heart set to do the fathers will need never fear defeat。”Hosea 2:13“I wanted to marry a man prepared to swim against the tide”“It is a powerful lie that， because sexual desire is natural， healthy， and God-given， anything I do because of that desire is natural， healthy， and God-given”“They have lost the notions of fidelity， renunciation， and sacrifice， because nothing seems worth all that”“Measure your progress by your experience of the love of God and it’s exercise before men” 。。。more
Lisa
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today I'm rating this book from a very subjective viewpoint—a how-helpful-was-this-book-for-me-at-my-present-stage-in-life viewpoint and the answer is， eh， it was okay。 in summary， I've read a lot of Elisabeth Elliot since I was a kid—and I've read a lot of Christian works since I was a kid as well， so this book didn't really bring anything new to my table， whether that be in regards to the "elisabeth elliot story" or the "how you should date" advice collection。 she had a lot of good principles， today I'm rating this book from a very subjective viewpoint—a how-helpful-was-this-book-for-me-at-my-present-stage-in-life viewpoint and the answer is， eh， it was okay。 in summary， I've read a lot of Elisabeth Elliot since I was a kid—and I've read a lot of Christian works since I was a kid as well， so this book didn't really bring anything new to my table， whether that be in regards to the "elisabeth elliot story" or the "how you should date" advice collection。 she had a lot of good principles， like being pure （DUH， that's what the book is about） and putting God first in everything。 honestly。。。 in the first few pages she says that bluntly put， this book is about virginity。 I was disappointed。 for some reason I thought it would be more interesting。so my main likes are:—I'm biased for writing by Elisabeth Elliot， it's like the voice of an old friend cos I've read her stuff so much;—love how much poetry and other Christian writers she always quotes gaaaahhhhh I swear， as a kid， reading all this poetry in Elliot books is like 50% the reason I love poetry the way I do;—generally solid advice about purity and self control and seeking God and all that！！—and I just generally like the tone of her writing，，， there's a lot of kindness but also strength of belief and firmness and just plain straightforwardness which I like！ whether or not I agreed with everything she said （（like how she seemed to think all the modern changes were bad。。。 uhh，，， I'm very happy to be born a woman in the 21st century rather than any century prior， thank u！！ not that I find the present a superior time compared to the past， but I'm just grateful， ok :'（））—very intellectually stimulating for me， whether or not practical for my present life situation hahanow here's the interesting part，，， a fellow blogger， Olivia， once wrote this beautiful and scathing review of old purity books so I was SUPER PUMPED to read elliot's book in the light of her thoughts。 and then I read up on a bunch of one star reviews here on Goodreads which。。。 were very logical and thoughtful for one star reviews， I was so impressed。 and I've got to say， their points and concerns were quite understandable and logical。 for a balanced view on this book， do read both the five star reviews AND the one star ones！ I benefitted greatly from doing that。 and after giving things some thought， I have to say that I agree with some of the aforementioned one-star review reviewers cons。 I'll puzzle them out below。 be warned。 it gets lengthy and has a lot of question marks。 if you came for a coherent review， it is not found below。 you may stop reading at this point。 but， just cos it's nice to get the thoughts out——I wish she'd also included the stories of how she met and married her second and third husbands！ she said just the Jim Elliot story would suffice， but I don't know，，， she said that he himself probably wouldn't have recommended others to make a model out of his experience。 but here we are—and it's basically a model in the book？ maybe she meant it just and only as a "we stayed pure while being very passionate people" example， but the book's about so much and the story is such a big part of it that it's hard not to read it as a model in general。 many people pointed out how their story seemed somewhat contradictory to her own advice/not a model that people should follow （（even ppl around them at the time advised them against how they were doing things？？））， so that's a reason why I think it would have been great to include the stories of her other two husbands too！ to show several different lenses！！ also cos her audience seems to be not just young， colleg-aged women who want to go to the mission field and are not sure if they should go single or married。 the three different stories could really have been good！ —some people complained about Elisabeth's views on "women shouldn't initiate" and yeah， I have questions。 first of all， maybe it's cos I'm born in the modern age of the 21st century， but I just don't get how "initiating" is such a huge part of masculinity or why on earth it's so upside down for a woman to express her interest in a guy first。 to be honest， it doesn't drive me up the wall like some people （while I can understand why others could be triggered） because whether it's this way or that way it doesn't make that much difference to my life。 but I just。 don't。 understand。 I grew up thinking that overall， generally men tend to express interest first/propose （or at least， all the films seemed to suggest it） （（and when I was a kid and knew nothing I was like， THANK THE HEAVENS why would I want to put myself in that awkward position）） but I never thought it was like a RULE and a MUST and a VERY VERY IMPORTANT TRADITION THAT U SHOULD NEVER UPSET。 I guess she expected people should /get it/ but I don't， oops。 —and I am not really convinced by her arguments either？ first of all， not sure how the creation story = men should initiate things and women should respond。 Adam didn't intiate anything？？？ God did all the initiating？？？ and how was Adam supposed to "protect and provide" for Eve when there was no evil on earth yet and as far as I know the lion was a friend of the lamb （（I guess that part is debatable， but I'm guessing that animal killing wasn't a thing in Eden）） and he didn't have to eat bread by the sweat of his face because the fruits were all growing in the garden provided by God for them to eat freely？？？？？ furthermore， Eve was specifically sent as "a help"—I think， since the previous paragraph was about taking care of the garden， it means she was supposed to help him take care of it。 are you saying all this time Eve was just walking around enjoying looking at the flowers while Adam did the work and he brought her fruits to eat and therefore， it was wrong of her to think of taking the （forbidden） fruit and bringing it to her husband because he was the one who should have been bringing her fruits！？！ how's that helping？ I have just confused myself by this long paragraph of confusion， so I will move on。。。。。。。。 （（edit: jsyk， I'm not discussing or arguing against husbands being the heads of the household or anything of that sort rn， I'm just saying I don't see the Bible saying women can't initiate a relationship））—also her example story of a-woman-who-initiated-who-shouldn't-have was a bit of a flimsy example because that woman didn't just initiate。 she badgered。 it was more like desperate begging and pestering。 you're trying to say that a man can call me every other day to try to aNNoY mE inTo a reLAtioNshIP？ no right？？ OF COURSE A WOMAN SHOULDN'T DO THAT。 NO ONE SHOULD， nevermind whether you're a man or woman。 or are you saying women don't have the dignity to do it the right way， with their head on their shoulders and acting respectful of other people's feelings and space？？ we mOST cerTAInlY dO。 in any case， her examples weren't exactly convincing in regards to what should and shouldn't be done。 —some people expressed concern over how she didn't seem to hold men up to the same standard she was holding women up to and there were several instances where I was like "？？？？" as well。 for example， at a certain point she mentions how Jim kissed other girls while she was elsewhere。 I felt like she should have said more about that ？？？ she doesn't tell us the circumstances or the nature of the kisses， so I guess we're left to our imagination？？ and sure， he repented。 and sure， everyone makes mistakes。 but explaining it as ~ he didn't take it seriously cos those girls didn't mean anything to him ~ and ~ he was a man。 men are sinners ~ is a bit of a gloss over。 never mind for the moment that he'd declared his love for her and if he's kissing other ppl at the same time that could be called into question。。。 but if he isn't interested in the other girls he shouldn't be misleading them like this？！ （（and I hope she meant "man" as synonymous with humanity， cos saying， you can't expect any more with "men" as in "males" is 。。。 problematic。）） and the chapter about what men want in women。。。 I guess everyone has their type and there are certain qualities that a person is looking for in a prospective spouse。。。 but why would you subject half the human race to your personal preferences？！ and to ask what a guy wants to see in a girl in an ordinary social interaction/what would make her attractive and then to use that as some sort of criteria that women should live up to。。。 maYBE I'm jUSt a mODeRn 21st CEntURy wOMaN but I certainly am not going to behave or try to be something to please the majority of the male half of the species whom I don't even know！！！ I'm going be the sort of person and character that a） God asks， b） people in my life help shape me into， c） is good and respectable and decent and inspiring in a person according to our present social norms。 *deep breath* sorry for being so emphatic。 I promise you I feel no ill towards the author whatsoever， and I don't even hate the book。 it's weird case where I feel like both the 5 star reviews and 1 star reviews are both right （go read some of them before/after you read the book！）。 therefore， the 3 star review。 I like Elisabeth Elliot。 The book had good principles。 But I feel like I didn't learn anything new， although my brain was very jogged and I had good conversations with friends about it。 And，，， I'm apparently a modern woman who doesn't understand this initation business。 。。。more
Scott Gregory
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Some will be edified， others disgusted。 But few leave this book unaffected。 I read it because I needed to revisit a more conservative view on dating。
Savannah
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This book is about how one can have an intimate relationship while staying chaste and pure。 It includes the story of the author's love story with her husband and how they managed to stay pure and keep an eye towards Christ。 The book also outlines other aspects of keeping a healthy relationship including roles of the woman and man， who qualifies as being "the one"， and putting God's desires first。 This book was suggested to me and was marketed as being a young adult book。 The story about how the This book is about how one can have an intimate relationship while staying chaste and pure。 It includes the story of the author's love story with her husband and how they managed to stay pure and keep an eye towards Christ。 The book also outlines other aspects of keeping a healthy relationship including roles of the woman and man， who qualifies as being "the one"， and putting God's desires first。 This book was suggested to me and was marketed as being a young adult book。 The story about how the author met her husband fit the criteria for me， but the rest of the book was written like a how-to or a life coaching book。 I did still enjoy the book because I agree with what the author had to say about modern day relationships and staying pure， but it wasn't really YA。 Overall， the book was still good。Content warning: Religious connotation 。。。more
N
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I loved how timeless Elizabeth’s principles are。 Elizabeth and Jim are such a beautiful example of being patient and just trusting wholeheartedly in God’s plan for our lives。
Jenny
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Heartfelt， honest and biblically-based advice and musings。 I find the courtship of Elisabeth and Jim beautiful， especially how careful they were in making sure their respective relationship with God always stands in the center and their thoughts on the challenges of uncertainty， lovesickness， yearnings and temptations。 Many chapters are worth rereading。 It also inspires me to read intimate thoughts of a Christian woman not much different from my age but yet much more mature in her walk with Chri Heartfelt， honest and biblically-based advice and musings。 I find the courtship of Elisabeth and Jim beautiful， especially how careful they were in making sure their respective relationship with God always stands in the center and their thoughts on the challenges of uncertainty， lovesickness， yearnings and temptations。 Many chapters are worth rereading。 It also inspires me to read intimate thoughts of a Christian woman not much different from my age but yet much more mature in her walk with Christ。 。。。more
Eliceli Bonan
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Um belo livro， cativante e profundo como só Elisabeth Eliott sabe ser！ Embora fiquei em vários momentos incomodada com as atitudes e palavras de Jim， também com os estereótipos de gênero （é preciso sempre respeitar o lugar do qual um autor escreve， sua época， sua vivência， etc）， é tocante o compromisso com o Senhor dos dois e o profundo anseio de viver sua vontade， e ter um relacionamento pleno， com tudo que ele pode ser como expressão humana da unidade divina。 O que permeia o livro é a espera， Um belo livro， cativante e profundo como só Elisabeth Eliott sabe ser！ Embora fiquei em vários momentos incomodada com as atitudes e palavras de Jim， também com os estereótipos de gênero （é preciso sempre respeitar o lugar do qual um autor escreve， sua época， sua vivência， etc）， é tocante o compromisso com o Senhor dos dois e o profundo anseio de viver sua vontade， e ter um relacionamento pleno， com tudo que ele pode ser como expressão humana da unidade divina。 O que permeia o livro é a espera， a espera entre o momento em que se conhecem e se apaixonam， até o momento em que casam-se e viver plenamente seu amor。 Por que esperam？ Para mim， sua relação começou como começam muitas das relações entre homens e mulheres: com dois "incompletos"， buscando no outro suprir o que lhe falta。 Embora eles provavelmente não tinham consciência disso， o risco era grande de， se dessem um passo para um relaicomanto logo no início， esta paixão consumi-los。 Um se tornaria o Grande Outro do outro， e se perderiam ali， no relacionamento， um no outro。 Deus？ Teria espaço secundário na força dessa paixão。 Então， o Espírito os guia， a esperar， até que o amor não seja mais menino， até que não haja a tentação de colocar o outro em um lugar que seja mais do que humano。Nesta leitura， Elisabeth nos lembra a maturidade da espera nos relacionamentos amorosos。 Espera， até se Deus ocupe o primeiro lugar， até que cada um possa ser inteiro em si mesmo， antes que possa ser um com o outro。 Lido com esse olhar， é muito recomendado！ 。。。more
Rayane France
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Não lembro a última vez que li um livro que começou tão bom e terminou tão ruim！ mas vale considerar alguns pontos。。。O livro é um relato bem pessoal onde Elisabeth Elliot conta sua história com Jim Elliot。 Lembra daquele missionário que morreu com uma flechada？ Pois é， ele mesmo！ Elisabeth e Jim se conheceram e se corresponderam por 5 anos antes de se casarem， pra ele morrer 3 anos depois！ ÓDIO！O livro conta como os dois se relacionaram à distância durante esses 5 anos， virgens， sem saber se de Não lembro a última vez que li um livro que começou tão bom e terminou tão ruim！ mas vale considerar alguns pontos。。。O livro é um relato bem pessoal onde Elisabeth Elliot conta sua história com Jim Elliot。 Lembra daquele missionário que morreu com uma flechada？ Pois é， ele mesmo！ Elisabeth e Jim se conheceram e se corresponderam por 5 anos antes de se casarem， pra ele morrer 3 anos depois！ ÓDIO！O livro conta como os dois se relacionaram à distância durante esses 5 anos， virgens， sem saber se de fato se casariam ou não。É cheio de trechos do diário da autora， o que é bem legal。 As partes que fala sobre o processo de espera， paciência， história dos dois， é bem legal e dá pra tirar lições valiosas que não se restringem à vida sentimental， como paciência， devoção， chamado， etc。Mas o resto。。。 Caímos naqueles velhos estereótipos de gênero， bem datados， e com regras morais super excludentes。 Elisabeth é honesta ao deixar claro que é um livro sobre virgindade， mas precisamos considerar que é uma cobrança desonesta num país com tantos estupros por hora。 Entende o ponto？Outro ponto que me incomoda sobre esses estereótipos de gênero， é que eles são construções sociais， não fundamentos bíblicos。 O homem TER que tomar iniciativa。 A mulher TER que se responsabilizar por segurar a onda。 Tem dó。 Coitado dos tímidos。Fora o papo de que a virgindade gera valor à mulher diante dos homens。 Cara， se a pessoa escolhe pela abstinência sexual até o casamento， isso é fundamentalmente algo entre ela e Deus， em obediência， como princípio， que seja。。。Mas se uma mulher está se relacionando com um homem que só a respeita pq é virgem， ele é um bosta e ela está cavando a própria cova。Se o homem valoriza mais o hímen do que a mulher em questão， então não a amará como Jesus。Ow， já fico irritada。Livro 2/5 Estrela médiaEstrela médiaÉ uma leitura válida se feita com esse olhar crítico， levando em consideração que a história de Elisabeth e Jim começou antes de 1950 （pra você ter noção， rola um elogio aos casamentos arranjados） 。。。more
E。G。 Bella
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RTC。 I had a hard time finishing this one due to the writing style， but the principles are sound and Elisabeth and Jim's story is very interesting。 RTC。 I had a hard time finishing this one due to the writing style， but the principles are sound and Elisabeth and Jim's story is very interesting。 。。。more
Jenny Arnold
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